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Syed:
 
The fact that NASA has approved this type of structures for constructions on Moon and Mars is very exciting.
However (pardon my ignorance), let's assume they will find "earth" and "soil" on Moon / Mars, they will drill wells to collect the water (I am afraid they will have to drill very deep), I am wandering how will they fire the fuel to burn the structures?  Don't they need oxygen?
 
Regards,
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Syed Faiz
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:43
Subject: RE: IRAN QUAKE>><<how has Gel Taftan structures (Ceramic Houses) performed?

Stan:
 
While I share your concern vis-a-vis "firing" aspect of this technology, however I need to do some explanation here also.
 
First of all, the "firing per se" in Gel Taftan technology is a very much "controlled" affair/job. Before the built-structure is set to fire there are certain pre-requisites that are got be met first. For example: all openings are closed by means of adobe, only a pipe (with a nozzle and  oil-fuelled burner) is set inside which is fired by any ordinary means. The entire structure is thus turned into a kiln, very much like you see in a brick-kiln, and allowed to burn for a couple of days, like its done in the brick-kiln.
 
I know many such structures are built by Nader Khalili (and associates in Iran and possibly some in US also) and the beauty is that, after few demonstration model houses, common men & women of villages in Iran have been able to construct the same on do-it-yourself basis.
 
I also share your concern about difficulty in "firing" structures in the urban areas while at the same time I also believe that the same could also be done with extra care & precaution exercised during the process.
 
However, as I understand the PRINCIPAL end-users or the target-users for this technology are:
 
1) the remote places (like villages & deserts, etc.) where the only building material available is the soil/earth "under their feet".
2) places where there is no wood available to make formwork and only material available is adobe and lots of people ready to work as laborers. In such cases this is a sane, sustainable alternative to wood construction.
3) places like Moon and Mars where you will not have any building material available (except soil/earth & possibly water; just enough to make lots of ADOBES) and where every thing will have to be transported from the mother Earth.
 
Thats all for the moment. Best regards to All,
 
Syed Faiz Ahmad; MEngg, M.ASCE
Senior Structural Engineer
Saudi Oger Ltd
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
 

[Syed Faiz]  -----Original Message-----
From: Stanley E Scholl [mailto:sscholl2(--nospam--at)juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:05 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: IRAN QUAKE>><<how has Gel Taftan structures (Ceramic Houses) performed?

I have met and discussed Khalili's ideas with him several years ago in Santa Monica, CA. I could never figure out how the system could work in an urban area. The burning would set the neighborhood on fire it seemed to me. I would be interested in hearing if any houses or buildings were ever built in Iran or anywhere else beyond the few demonstration things that were built about 30 years ago.
 
Stan Scholl, P.E.
Laguna Beach, CA
 
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:27:36 +0300 "Syed Faiz" <sfaiz(--nospam--at)saudioger.com> writes:

Dear All (esp: Fariborz Tehrani):

I have followed those discussions on adobe vis-a-vis Iran Quake with lot of interests. In the meanwhile I have been also visting the links provided by the Iranian Engineer Fariborz M. Tehrani to update myself on the Bam EQ issue. I browsed thru several pics posted on these Sites also and was able to have some insight of extent of damages done there.

However, I was more interested in some kind of report though (could be preliminary and/or in a short summary type) to know how have various types of structures performed during this particular earth quake.

I was, in fact, mostly interested to know how have Gel Taftan or the Ceramic Houses type of structures performed this time around. Can any body (esp. Fariborz Tehrani) address these questions, please?

For those of you who don't know about Gel Taftan (Ceramic Houses), let me run-down a basic introduction about the same.

The Iranian-born American architect Nader Khalili is the innovator of the Gel Taftan or Earth-and-Fire System of construction,  known also as "Ceramic Houses". Gel in Persian means "clay" while Taftan means "burning".

The innovation per se entails construction of thick walls (about 300 mm) and vault & dome roofing (without the use of any wood & without any supporting formwork) with hand moulded unstabilised earth blocks only, called adobe. Since no wood is used, this type of construction is alo called woodless construction. This entire built-structure is then fired, by means of setting oil-fuelled burners in the building and allowed to bake for two to three days., until the clay-brick walls & roof turns red hot, making the structure into a Ceramic House termed by Nader Khalili as Gel Taftan.

Nader Khalili has illustrated the process in his famous book entitled, "Ceramic Houses and Earth Architecture: How to build your own". I am fortunate to have met some of his associates in Council for Works & Housing Research, Karachi (Pakistan) way back in the early 90s and also have a personal copy of the same book.

He has also invented another innovative system called Super Adobe. These are essentially rows of bags filled with sand dug from the house site and piled up to form walls. Barbed wire is laid between the rows to reinforce and help hold the bags together.The structure is tied together with rope or metal. Walls can be sealed with a mixture of mud & straw or with stucco. Sandbag arches are used to form windows and doors.

Both Gel Taftan (Ceramic House) and Supper Adobe structures have been built & tested in the Mojave desert (by Nader Khalili) and have been found to be Earth-Quake resistant and also resistant to rain & flash floods.

Interestingly enough both Gel Taftan (Ceramic House) and Super Adobe are approved by NASA to be the future building materials for would be structures on Moon and Mars. Obviously, Man will not transport cement & reinforcing steel or brick/block all the way to the Moon and Mars. These two innovative technologies can make use of indigenous materials like, earth/soil and water supposedly available on Moon and Mars; all you need to transport is a little bit of fuel for burning, thats all.

Nader Khalili is located in Hesperia (south of LA) in the Mojave desert (working as Director for CAL-EARTH) where NASA is also planning to build some prototype houses that will eventually be built on Moon and Mars.

Any thought on the above and report of performance of Ceramic Houses (Gel Taftan) in the Bam EQ, by any one on this List especially by Fariborz Tehrani,  shall be appreciated.

Best regards to all,

Syed Faiz Ahmad; MEngg, M.ASCE
Senior Structural Engineer
Saudi Oger Ltd
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia